I just had a telephone call from a Christian who wanted to talk to me
about the role god plays in my life. This is the first time I've had a
proselytiser call me on the telephone so I am posting the basic gist of our conversation here while it is still fresh in my mind (and before I forget it).
I can't remember how he started the conversation, but I quickly interrupted him to ask which god he was talking about. He said it was Yahweh, the god of the bible.
So then I asked him to describe his god otherwise I wouldn't know what we were talking about.
He said things like god is perfect, righteous, just, kind, loving, etcetera.
I said that was interesting but how would I recognise god if I saw him.
The Christian said it doesn't work that way. He said god is invisible.
I pointed out that god "spoke to Moses face to face as a man speaks to his friend". [Exodus 33:11]
I forget exactly what the Christian said but it was something about
the bible having many things to say and it is unfair to pick out just
one verse at a time.
I pointed out he had done exactly the same thing to me - quoted a single verse that says god is invisible!
Then I told him I wasn't relying on just one verse because Jacob had
also said, "I have seen god face to face and my life is preserved."
I got the impression from his tone of voice that he thought I was
making it up and he tried to call my bluff by asking where that text appears
in the bible - book, chapter, and verse.
I told him I didn't know for sure but suggested he could find it easily enough. "Have you got a Concordance," I asked him.
There was a short hesitation and then a very cautious, "yes." (I don't think he knew what a Concordance was.)
So I told him to look up the word "Jacob" and that would take him directly to the verse.
But he never did find it - so I found it for him [Genesis 32:30] - because I actually have a Concordance.
Again I've forgotten his exact words, but he started pushing the idea that I had taken the verse out of context.
That's the thing that really irks me about Christians: this guy had
obviously never heard about Jacob seeing god face to face until I
mentioned it, and now, just a few seconds later, he was trying to tell me that I had it wrong and he knew what it really meant!
As it happens he never did get around to explaining the context and the conversation ended not long afterwards.